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| Rothermel |  Tue Sep 23, 2008, 11:02AM | |
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| Since we have several thinking about entering in a Road Race school next year I thought we might crank up a thread - several of us got our eyes opened the first of this year and we almost all survived. Post questions and comments and let's help out the newbies.
A. Never too soon to start preparing - with the holidays and other things to do the time will quickly evaporate if I can find the website I will post a successful timeline on what to do leading up to going to a road race school - no the registration is opened yet but you will need to prepare some things.
B. Line-up some help. The school runs from Thursday to Sunday with class time on Thursday and so busy on Fri-Sun you won't believe how fast it will go - you will need help! We had 3 groups that lasted about 20 minutes each and as soon as you finished a session you were with your instructor and then you were ready to run another session. You are to have 8 hours of instruction so it will be boggity boggity boggity
C. Link From this timeline you needed to start
D. Roebling Road is a fast track - get used to it by running the time trials event in November. You won't be pressured as much and you can find a line to play without getting run over,
Post/Ask away
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| farrout | | Tue Sep 23, 2008, 01:39PM | |
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| I agree with Mark.
Bring rain tires. The school goes on in the rain, shine or cold.
THe school is 6 hours of track time. More than you will ever see at a race. Make sure your tires and car can make it thru.
Bring crew. YOu have almost zero time to work on the car with all the driver meetings. Help is very necessary.
Get in shape. 6 hours of track time is quite exhausting. Ask Mark and Hammer about that.
If you seriously doubt your car will make it thru, consider renting a SM or SRF from one of the groups there (RMS, SEI, OPM, etc).
Robinson or SEI have all the spares that a SRF can ever need.
Bring spares for your car. If it can break, it will.
Bring an easy-up or two for the rain/shade factor.
Bring liquids to drink - even if it is cold, you need the liquids so you do not de-hydrate.
Bring your tools for those adjustments/repairs. Tire gauges, jacks, wrenches, torque wrench, battery charger, etc.
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| Grintch | | Tue Sep 23, 2008, 04:40PM | |
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Will I need help with the SRF if I don't worry about trying to optimize the setup between sessions?
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| farrout | | Tue Sep 23, 2008, 04:59PM | |
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| Grintch wrote ...
Will I need help with the SRF if I don't worry about trying to optimize the setup between sessions?
THe SRF is largely bullet proof. The most you should have to do is check tire pressures, fuel it up, and drive it. If I recall correctly, it does take two people to lift off the rear bodywork in order to check engine and fuel it up.
One of the reasons for crew is to handle the unexpected for you.
You should not have to mess with set-up if you have it correct to begin with.
THis is not a race so times are not particularly important. Instructors want to see if you play well with others on track. We are watching your ability to check mirrors, adherance to flags, ability to drive at race speeds, whether you cut off your fellow mates, etc. A good command of situational awareness is necessary. Can you make a safe race pass? Do you become flustered when someone pressures you? Do you succumb to the "red mist"? What do you do when someone spins in front of you?
In the SRF, I was on track with FFs, FVs, DSRs, --- cars that were both faster and slower than I was. I was passing and being passed.
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| Rothermel | | Tue Sep 23, 2008, 05:09PM | |
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| The SRF's were in my group which had several FV's, F500(1), and several DSR's as well as a bunch of SRF's. I could out-brake several of the SRF's but they would run quicker on the long front straight - I did have a problem with 2 of them (SRF's) not seeing me (maybe they were suprised I was passing them.
Sometime over the weekend they will show the red flag and it can be bad if the "red mist" is going and people aren't paying attention. The 5 lap races are fun BUT you are not going to get a trophy so stay calm and cool.
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| George Bugg | | Wed Sep 24, 2008, 08:16AM | |
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I'll 2nd Farr's comment about getting in shape. Six hours on the track is tough. And there is very little time between sessions to do _anything_ but think about the next session. A typical routine is:
20 min On-track Session
15 min Debrief with your instructor
20 min to catch your breath, suit back up and get to grid
5 min warning
repeat.
I had a few mechanical issues in the DSR last year, but even without that, I couldn't have done it without my dad's and Brett W's (and a bunch of others) help. The driver needs to focus on driving.
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| SpecRacer95 | | Wed Sep 24, 2008, 11:51AM | |
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| Will I need help with the SRF if I don't worry about trying to optimize the setup between sessions?
I've never seen a student at one of these at Roebling get within 3 or 4 seconds of a competitive time so do not even give setup changing a thought at the school. So...
1. Find the Robinson Motorsports compound and unload close by.
2. Introduce yourself to Mick, Hector, and Mark at RMS. Watch, listen, ask.
3. Try your best to get Mick as your instructor by calling him before the school (or I will call him for you).
4. You will still need someone to check oil, tire pressures, help with belts, etc. Do not go alone for several reasons. One of them I won't mention.
5. Don't blame the car - in this class it is 99% driver.
6. Complete the school. Forget lap times. The top priorities are to not hit anything and do not give the officials an excuse to fail you. If/when you go off course make darn sure the F&C crew has waved you back on course. This is a favorite to get clipped for.
7. Enjoy the cheap track time. Completion of this double school grants you permission to start spending lots of money.
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| farrout | | Wed Sep 24, 2008, 05:00PM | |
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| SpecRacer95 wrote ...
I've never seen a student at one of these at Roebling get within 3 or 4 seconds of a competitive time
What would you call a 1:24 or 1:25 in an SRF?
A student last year set a RR Class Track record.
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| ejory | | Wed Sep 24, 2008, 06:29PM | |
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| Yeah, but I think that was a function of paving, wasn't it?
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| SpecRacer95 | | Wed Sep 24, 2008, 09:39PM | |
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| SpecRacer95 wrote ...
I've never seen a student at one of these at Roebling get within 3 or 4 seconds of a competitive time
Farrout added...
What would you call a 1:24 or 1:25 in an SRF?
A student last year set a RR Class Track record.
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I'd call those times about 4-5 seconds off the pace. The lap record at Roebling was set by Paul Schneider in 2004 at 1:19.7.
In the last ten years that I have been going down there the pole time for SRF's is usually in the 1:20-1:21 range.
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| Ogre | | Wed Sep 24, 2008, 10:25PM | |
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| Regardless of the times, you will need help Bruce and really shouldn't worry about set up.
A couple of us are already talking about coming down to help anybody from TVR that decides to attend.
Fatigue WILL affect you starting early Saturday afternoon, or maybe even before. You will be tired, bruised, dehydrated and sore in places you didn't know you had.
The school is not about driving the fastest line, it is about flags, race traffic, and the mechanics of racing SAFELY. It is about Situational Awareness on the race track. Yes, you need to at least be at race speeds for most of the time so that you are not a danger to the others on track. Another student in my group was not only slow, he didn't have very good awareness and when others passed him, he didn't even know they were there until after the pass was competed. He also had several off track excursions because of that.
Go learn the mechanics of racing, then go race and learn racecraft. I still have a lot to learn.
FWIW, New Track Record (1:17.797) for BP by Edward Lewis in a Corvette. He was in my group at the drivers school.
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| SpecRacer95 | | Thu Sep 25, 2008, 07:54AM | |
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| Roebling lap records can be found on the Bucanneer Region web site.
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| George Bugg | | Thu Sep 25, 2008, 08:02AM | |
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| +1 for what Paul said.
That car should be bullet proof. And on the off chance something does go wrong, there will be plenty of SRF experts on hand - real experts. So... SA is the key - flags, other drivers, mirrors.
Most of all, it's the most fun you can have on a cold February weekend!
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| Grintch | | Tue Oct 14, 2008, 04:48PM | |
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| Do I need to have my Novice Permit & Physical submitted before the school, bring it to the school, or submit it after the school?
I can't find anything definitive on the SCCA website.
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| JohnW8 | | Tue Oct 14, 2008, 05:30PM | |
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| Grintch wrote ...
Do I need to have my Novice Permit & Physical submitted before the school, bring it to the school, or submit it after the school?
I can't find anything definitive on the SCCA website.
I was wondering the same thing. There isn't a timeline to follow for the paperwork aspect of it all.
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| Rothermel | | Tue Oct 14, 2008, 05:30PM | |
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| Yea the SCCA site isn't the best. You would be wise to have the Novice Permit and Physical submitted. Once you talk to the Licensing Dept at SCCA they can take your application/physical and of course the money and they will send you the Novice Permit and the GCR. Bring those to the school and the Novice Permit is given to the Stewards at Registration. The school should have registration open at least 1 to 1-1/2 months before the event. The Novice Permit is good for 2 years (If I am not mistaken).
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| Rothermel | | Tue Oct 14, 2008, 05:33PM | |
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| JohnW8 | | Wed Oct 15, 2008, 09:49AM | |
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| The Physical can't be older than 90 days so you have to time that right.
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| George Bugg | | Wed Oct 15, 2008, 09:59AM | |
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| It can't be older than 90 days when you get your permit. Your permit is good for 2 years. I'd go ahead and get everything moving now... just in case.
btw - welcome to ITA!!
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| spike | | Wed Oct 15, 2008, 01:16PM | |
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| If you have a current physical on file do you have to get another one?
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